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Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:59 pm

Having dealt with Gordon Hirschy, claiming to be dying in hospital, Sheev Palpatine gains a new email from Johnson and Associates. We're going to do something different here; rather than send a lad off to multiple sockpuppets like with Gordon, we're going to send him off to another scambaiter.

Any parties that are scambaiters are in bold as always and consist of:
Sheev Palpatine: The initial contact
Derek Trotter: Sheev's lawyer
Erica Von Helsing: Depicted here, as a friend of Derek's. This is actually another scambaiter who signed the muguguestbook.

The only lad known so far, is Antonio Alvarez Ruiz. Let's go!

This is the first email that Sheev got from Antonio:

I’m Antonio Alvarez Ruiz, an expert in corporate and legal claims; I’m a partner at Johnson & Associates.

I am contacting you in regard to a deceased client who died in an auto accident in Madrid in March 2005; he was a prominent client of mine. He happens to share the same LAST NAME with you.

Before his death, my client deposited ($95million) at the vault of a financial institution here in Europe, documentation regarding these transactions indicates that claims can only be made by his relative/ family member. Unfortunately, he had no will at the time of his death. All efforts made revealed no link to any of his family members.

However, the New EU law of succession/claims/fund indicates a duration in which such claims could be tolerated. The financial institution has mandated me to present the next of kin or a relative who will claim the funds and Failure to respond to this ultimatum would legally allow the financial institution to report these funds to the central bank of the EU as unclaimed funds (Lack of supersede).

I have put in place all necessary requirements concerning the release of these funds and it is my intention to introduce this opportunity to you as the beneficiary. Please note that I’m legally equipped with all the necessary information/documentation concerning this fund.

Upon your decision of acceptance, I would process the release of these funds to your possession; you would be entitled to 50% of the said funds and 50% for me.

For time difference and confidential reasons, I strongly advise that you first contact me via fax or email. Immediately you get in touch with me, I would be able to inform you on how this could be concluded.

Its’ been my wish to have an investment outside my country, so this is an opportunity for me to invest my share of these funds in your country.

In conclusion, it’s my concern to demand your ultimate honesty, co-operation, and confidentiality to enable us to conclude this transaction. I GUARANTEE that this process would be executed under a legitimate arrangement that would legally protect you from any breach of law.


Sheev wrote back:

Dear Mr Ruiz

So...there was another Palpatine out there? How exciting! Let us proceed...

Regards

Sheev Palpatine


Looks like Alvarez was a pop culture fan! He wrote:

Dear Palpatine;

Thanks for your prompt response; I am sure you understand the content of my letter. A quick question that comes to my attention here is: I have been looking for his family members for the past years but no success and the urgency in resolving this case, has instigated my quick judgment in contacting a search detective who found you to have the same last name with the deceased person.

As I rightly stated on the Proposal I sent to you, “The financial institution has mandated me to present the next of kin or a relative who will claim the funds and failure to respond to this ultimatum would legally allow the financial institution to report these funds to the central bank of the EU as unclaimed funds (Lack of supersede)”.

I understand you might not know this person, but as a matter of legal proceedings, what is important here is the fact that you share the same last-name with my deceased client. My client entrusted me with classified documentations including (POWER OF APPOINTMENT) that empowers me to introduce you as a beneficiary, and if the financial institute does require any documentation, I would provide it to them.

All I need from you now, is to declare your interest, so I will tell you what we have to do, in other to proceed.

Hope to hear from you soon.


Antonio Alvarez Ruiz


This email came in twice, for some reason. No idea why, but Sheev decided to take advantage of it: He said that he copied his lawyer, Derek Trotter, in on his his first message but he forgot, so he sent the same message again, this time copying in Derek. Either way, he sent this message to Antonio:

Hello Antonio

I regret that I had never heard of this client since I thought that I was the only Palpatine in existence. Not even my granddaughter, Melody Crowe, likes to take up my name.

Have said that, I would like to declare my interest in this proposal but I would like to add an additional contact. Please would you contact my lawyer, Derek Trotter, who would be happy to assist in my stead? I have copied him in on this message.

Regards

Sheev Palpatine


Derek wrote to Antonio to say:

Dear Antonio

My client, Sheev Palpatine, has informed me of some business he wishes to transact with you. J would be happy to assist in this business. Please would you be kind enough to explain the business at hand?

Regards

Derek Trotter


But alas; Antonio didn't want to explain his proposal to Derek (can't think why!) and he wrote back to Palpatine to say:

Should I reply to your lawyer, Derek Trotter?
He's asking me if I would be kind enough to explain the business at hand.
Send him the letter I sent to you for him to have a clue. afterward, I would write to him explaining the nature of things on how to proceed.

Regards

Antonio Alvarez Ruiz


But Sheev wasn't going to be put off and pushed on to say:

Do it! Reply to Derek! Give him information that he needs!

Well, Sheev told him to reply to Derek, so Antonio did just that. This is what he sent to Derek;

Dear Derek Trotter;

Below was the letter I sent to, Sheev Palpatine.
I would like you to go through it and see the nature of the business. Then I will explain what we have to do in order to claim the said fund:

I’m Antonio Alvarez Ruiz, an expert in corporate and legal claims; I’m a partner at Johnson & Associates.

I am contacting you in regard to a deceased client who died in an auto accident in Madrid in March 2005; he was a prominent client of mine. He happens to share the same LAST NAME with you.

Before his death, my client deposited ($95million) at the vault of a financial institution here in Europe, documentation regarding these transactions indicates that claims can only be made by his relative/ family member. Unfortunately, he had no will at the time of his death. All efforts made revealed no link to any of his family members.

However, the New EU law of succession/claims/fund indicates a duration in which such claims could be tolerated. The financial institution has mandated me to present the next of kin or a relative who will claim the funds and Failure to respond to this ultimatum would legally allow the financial institution to report these funds to the central bank of the EU as unclaimed funds (Lack of supersede).

I have put in place all necessary requirements concerning the release of these funds and it is my intention to introduce this opportunity to you as the beneficiary. Please note that I’m legally equipped with all the necessary information/documentation concerning this fund.

Upon your decision of acceptance, I would process the release of these funds to your possession; you would be entitled to 50% of the said funds and 50% for me.

For time difference and confidential reasons, I strongly advise that you first contact me via fax or email. Immediately you get in touch with me, I would be able to inform you on how this could be concluded.

Its’ been my wish to have an investment outside my country, so this is an opportunity for me to invest my share of these funds in your country.

In conclusion, it’s my concern to demand your ultimate honesty, co-operation, and confidentiality to enable us to conclude this transaction. I GUARANTEE that this process would be executed under a legitimate arrangement that would legally protect you from any breach of law.

Antonio Alvarez Ruiz


Derek was delighted by this and wrote to Antonio in an email akin to bait and switch; he promised full compliance, but because he doesn't deal with international cases, he sent him a new contact.

Hello Antonio!

Thanks for your email. Me and my client can guarantee a few things: First, we can guarantee our co-operation, honesty and further contacts.

However, I regret that this seems like an international business which I don't get involved in. Please would you be kind enough to contact a friend of mine, Erika Von Helsing on this email address? (Erika Von Helsing, is another scambaiter who signed the muguguestbook)

Regards

Derek Trotter


I take it that Antonio actually wrote to Erica, because he came back to Derek with this message:

I have contacted Erika Von Helsing on the said email address and she said my client Late Mr. Arseny Elvis Hesling is her cousin.
What a coincidence, is Erika Von Hesling related to Sheev Palpatine?
This is becoming very interesting. I may have found the actual family members.
Please get back to me ASAP. Lets proceed on claiiming the said fund.

Thanks

Antonio Alvarez Ruiz


But Sheev didn't hire Derek to pry into his family life and Derek knows it, so he wrote back to Antonio, copying in Sheev for good measure.

Sorry, Antonio. But if you want to know family matters, please contact my client.

SHEEV! Erika's not related to you, is she?


Was Erika related to Sheev? He didn't seem to think so..,or so Derek thought because Sheev claimed that Erika was Melody's sister and was a granddaughter of his.

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by bikeatl77 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:39 pm

Please note that I’m legally equipped with all the necessary information/documentation concerning this fund.
Gotta love a self baiting lad. If he says he has all the relevant paperwork already then he should definitely forward all those juicy trophies to you. A death certificate should be in there somewhere as well. Given that he's talking about $90+ million dollars it wouldn't be too far fetched to suspect foul play in terms of your long lost relative's untimely death. The Palpatine family crest is littered with malice and assasination attempts unfortunately. It's par for the course when your family tree is populated with a bunch of power hungry Sith lords. It would be fantastic if you were able to convince your lad to spend a bunch of time creating a fake autopsy report in Spanish. If the Force is strong in him then he will comply with your demands :D

You obviously don't want to tip off the lad about the Star Wars theme but it would be so tempting to ask if you can receive your funds in Galactic credits ;)

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:44 pm

Of course the Palpatine family is littered with malice and assassination attempts; there can only be two after all: A master and an apprentice!

Sheev's fortunate he's managed to get a family man as his lawyer as well. He's got two granddaughters who need protection, especially since they come from a...terrible family.

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Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:24 pm

And now, Antonio starts to get a bit annoyed and his annoyance resulted in him sending this email to Derek:

I never said Erika is related to me. Erika said, my client Late Mr. Arseny Elvis Hesling is her cousin. You're the person that told me to contact your friend, Erika Von Helsing because you do not engage in international business. Well I contacted her and she said she knows your client Sheev Palpatine.
So I guess, my client; Late Mr. Arseny Elvis Hesling, your friend, Erika Von Hesling and your client Sheev Palpatine are somehow related. You can imagine my amazement about the coincidences.
Listen to me Derek Trotter. There's something I didn't tell you about my late client Mr. Arseny Elvis Hesling. His full name was ARSENY ELVIS PALPATINE HESLING. He was of Spanish origin, this am very sure both your client Sheev Palpatine and your friend, Erika Von Hesling are not aware of. Because my client kept this very confidential. He never goes by that name Palpatine, except in documents. Reason, it is a deep family secret, which he never revealed to me.
I understand that both your client Sheev Palpatine and your friend Erika Von Hesling might or may not know this person, but as a matter of legal proceedings, what is important here is the fact that they both share the same last-name with my deceased client.
If anyone of them can come forward, I will present him or her as the Next of Kin (Beneficiary) so we can go for the said fund. I have every document to GUARANTEE that this process would be executed under a legitimate arrangement that would legally protect you, your client and your friend from any breach of law.
Tell your client Sheev Palpatine or your friend Erika Von Hesling to get back to me ASAP with the detials I requested earlier, for me to fill in the remaining paperwork in order to facilitate the beginning process of this transaction.
I await your prompt response.

Regards

Antonio Alvarez Ruiz


Arseniy never revealed his deep family secret to Antonio? Oh, I wonder why! And Antonio is never going to learn it; Derek's email to Antonio proved it:

Dear Antonio

Who said anything about Erika being related to you? Sheev wrote to me and he claimed that Erika was one of his granddaughters.

You talk of details, Antonio, but I've looked through my clients' email and you've never sent Sheev a request for details. Hang on, I'll email both of them and ask them if they were given any request for details. I hope the response on your side is as prompt as you want mine to be!

Regards

Derek Trotter


Then he wrote to Sheev and Erika with this message:

Sheev! Erika!
Has Antonio sent you any emails, asking you for any details?
Please reply soon, for the impatient sod's sake!
Derek Trotter


Sheev first replied, and his response was negative:

No. He has not, Derek. All that Antonio has sent me was his initial email, and his concerns about contacting you.

Sheev.

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 pm

Erika wrote back to both Derek and Sheev, just to give a negative response to the request for details. But she had more correspondence with Derek which we'll get to in a moment. After receiving negative responses from Sheev and Erika, Derek wrote an indignant email to Antonio; this post is the correspondence that Derek had with Antonio after getting negative responses from Sheev and Erika.

You see, Antonio

Neither Sheev, nor Erika, have had any requests for details. So how do you expect them to provide something you never asked them for, you dozy git?

Derek Trotter



Antonio sent out two responses; first in his initial conversation to Derek, he said:

Dear Derek Trotter,
Please check the last reply you sent to me before this email. You said this: "Sorry, Antonio. But if you want to know family matters, please contact my client. SHEEV! Erika's not related to you, is she?"

About the details of what's required in order to facilitate the beginning process of this transaction. Sorry, I thought I have sent it to your client Sheev Palpatine, but I have checked, I have not. Pardon me, is my bad.
I must say I am a little confused at the moment, which of them is coming forward as the Next of Kin (Beneficiary), your client Sheev Palpatine or your friend Erika Von Hesling?
I need to know, so I can send the details of what's required in order to facilitate the beginning process of this transaction.
Please get back to me as soon as possible on that, so I can forward the details immediately.

Thanks.

Antonio Alvarez Ruiz


To his second email, in which Derek called him a "dozy git", Antonio just apologized and told Derek to check his email. So Derek did just that and sent out two responses to Antonio; to his email which just told him to check his email, Derek just said " Cushty!". To the above email, he wrote:

Oh, gawd!

Wait a minute...why don't you split it three or four ways? 25% for Sheev, another for Erika, yet another for me, and the rest as a small gift for yourself? How's that?


And here is the conclusion of the correspondence that Antonio had with Derek (only for the time being). This email is from Antonio and he wrote:

Dear Derek Trotter.
If you read the Proposal carefully, you will see where it indicates that claims can only be made by his relative/family member. Not Relatives or Family Members.
However, should anyone of them come forward as the Next of Kin (Beneficiary), at the end of the transaction, they can split their percentage with you as they wish. How does that sound?
At this point, both of them quelifies since they both share the same last name with my client. But both of them can't come forward, I need just one of them.
Talk to them and see who's coming forward so I could send the details of what is required.

Thanks


Antonio Alvarez Ruiz


Meanwhile, Sheev wrote to Antonio, just to say he was interested in any correspondence that Antonio had with Erika and asked him to forward any emails between Antonio and Erika to him. But Antonio didn't respond.

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:52 pm

Antonio wanted either Sheev or Erika to come forward, but Derek decided to just ignore him for a while. As well as Antonio, he also had some correspondence with Erika (keep in mind that Erika van Helsing is another scambaiter).

Things got off to a shaky start at first; it started with Derek asking Sheev and Erika if Antonio had sent either of them any requests for details. Erika just gave a negative response to Sheev, but she started some correspondence with Derek.

Erika: Wait, you’re just a scambaiter from the mugugestlist.

Now, this seemed to be almost the end of the game for Derek, but an old school enemy did not call him "The great Del Boy, the man who can talk his way out of a room with no doors" for nothing! And he managed to get Erika back on his side and he said to her:

Derek: Yes, Erica

We're both scambaiters. We're ALL scambaiters (well, me and Sheev are. And we both know that Antonio isn't).
(We, in question, are the parties involved in this business: Sheev, Derek, Erika and Antonio).

Back on the hook, Erika was delighted and she asked him:

Erika: Glad to hear it! What else can we do to make Antonio’s life worse?

This was a problem for Derek, because he hadn't thought that far ahead; but he did have a solution to making Antonio's life worse: Encryption. Erika didn't know how to do it, so Derek decided to help a fellow baiter out. After all, Sheev, Derek and Erika were all scambaiters, and scambaiters work together. Here's how the conversation went between the pair:

Derek: I don't know, yet. Although, if he asks for bank details from either of us, we could send him encrypted information...of course, it ain't gonna be bank details, but it's either gonna be a subliminal message, or song lyrics.

But we'll see.


Erika: How do I send encrypted info? (I’m relatively new to scambaiting)

Derek: Ah...well, I'm going to give you two things here, Erica:

First, I'm going to tell you that in order to encrypt information, I would point you in the direction of online-toolz.com. Actually, here's the full link: https://www.online-toolz.com/tools/text ... yption.php

Next, if you're relatively new to Scambaiting, I recommend that you do what other baiters do. Here, you can seek advice from other baiters, post your own stories, and what have you.


Erika: Awesome, thanks!

Derek: Don't mention it, Erica.

Following his correspondence with Erika, Derek forwarded Antonio's last message to her and Sheev, asking them who was going to come forward. Erika put herself up to the part, under Sheev's permission who sent this to Derek:

Yes...Yes, Derek. Send Erica forward to Antonio.

We're all in this together, after all.


Sheev granted him permission to put Erika forward to claim this money that Antonio had, so Derek did just that; but he wanted to be sure that Erika and Sheev were there to help her claim the money.

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Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:54 pm

Antonio wrote to Derek claiming that he had wrote to Erika already, but Sheev's lawyer wasn't going to be put off and further showed that he was a lawyer that Sheev was right to hire; this is what he wrote to Antonio:

Come on, Antonio!

At least let me help a friend out! And at least let a grandfather help his granddaughter.


Sheev also wrote to Antonio; he ignored his previous request for Antonio to send him any correspondence between himself and Erika so Sheev sent him another one At first, Antonio seemed to nearly blow the operation by asking him if he wanted Sheev to inform Erika that he would forward any correspondence to him but Sheev refused, much to Antonio's confusion who asked:

Why that! I thought both of you are related?

Sheev just dismissed his concerns and wrote back:

So? Me and Erika are related Antonio, but do you think I ask my family that I want copies of conversations they've been having? No.

Grant me your correspondence with Erika, and I will give you a present...

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Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:37 pm

No response from Antonio, so Sheev tried again and sent this to him:

Do it, Antonio! Send me correspondence between you and Erika, and I will give you a present!

After all, I persuaded you to initially contact my lawyer! Forward your correspondence between you and Erika, and I will grant you a gift!


Antonio just sent this to Sheev:

OK. Hold on please.

But that was the least of Antonio's contact, because Derek also wanted an update; lads always try to reassure their victim that their business is 100% risk free, legal and to be assured about everything so it was no surprise that Derek wrote to Antonio, both to ask for an update and to assure him that if he ran into any issues (which he will!)

Hello Antonio!

Now that me and Sheev have left Erika to claim this fund, how's everything going? Remember, me and Sheev are always here in case there are any issues.

Regards

Derek Trotter.


But like Sheev, Derek is an impatient man so he chased and said this to Antonio:

Antonio!

Where is this pigging correspondence that you promised to forward to Sheev?! And I'm still waiting for a response to my last email, you lazy old sod!
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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by bikeatl77 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:27 pm

Why would there be any issues? Well, unless your lazy contractors still haven't gotten around to covering up that tiny thermal exhaust port. I'm sure it'll all be fine though ;)

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:24 pm

Are you sure it's all going to be fine? Like Erika's not gonna get herself on a lad hit list with Antonio sending a hitman to either kidnap her and hold her ransom or just cut out the middle man and kill her? Or maybe Antonio's not going to be met with excuse after excuse on Erika's part?

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Post by bikeatl77 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:56 am

Hit lads are notoriously lazy, even when compared to other types of lads so Erika will probably be OK. Sometimes you have to do everything yourself so you could create a fake lad character who kidnaps Erika and then Sheev could blame Antonio. That could be one of the many excuses Sheev gives the lad about non-payment. All that cash that was going to go to Antonio now has to be used to pay off ransom demands. Although I do like you hitting the lad from three different angles at once...it must drive him nuts dealing with all the back and forth bickering and general background noise :P

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:54 pm

Hit lads are notoriously lazy, even when compared to other types of lads so Erika will probably be OK.
They are? What are normal lads often like?
Sometimes you have to do everything yourself so you could create a fake lad character who kidnaps Erika and then Sheev could blame Antonio. That could be one of the many excuses Sheev gives the lad about non-payment. All that cash that was going to go to Antonio now has to be used to pay off ransom demands
Oh yeah? Go on...
Although I do like you hitting the lad from three different angles at once...it must drive him nuts dealing with all the back and forth bickering and general background noise
Oh, I'm sure it is!

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Post by bikeatl77 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:40 pm

The main difference I've seen between hitlads and other types of lads is that they don't chit chat or try to butter you up before going in for the kill. The very first email they send says that someone put out a hit on you but he won't kill you if you pay $x amount. If you ask questions or try to get him off script you'll probably be met with "I don't have time for questions. Pay up or die". That's usually the extent of a hitlad conversation. They aren't known to be very bright and/or they may not have a very good grasp of the language they are sending death threats in so their capability to interact tends to be limited.

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:15 pm

Ah, so they're straight talkers?

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:39 pm

During this correspondence with Antonio, another scambaiter suggested that I make lad character in order to kidnap Erika, so Sheev could blame Antonio and claim that all the money that he saved for Antonio would now have to be used to pay ransom demands...so that's what I did. I set up an email account under the name of Aimar Zaragoza who I set up to be another lad.

(It is important to know that Airmar is in fact another one of my accounts. Or was, because my scambaiting emails may be expendable in that I don't care what goes into them, but Aimar was even more expendable. I sent out one message from the address, which we'll get too in a moment, and then deleted the account).

Meanwhile, Antonio got his arse in gear and sent the same email to Sheev and Derek. This is what he effectively sent the pair:

Hello

Is going on good. Can I call you?
I need to discuss something with you.

Thanks

Antonio Alvarez Ruiz


Sheev just left this matter to Derek who gave him this email:

Yeah? Cushty!

As for the plans to call...can I suggest that you call Lenny? He's a friend of mine. Here's his number.

(the Lenny chatbot)

When can he expect a call?


But Antonio seemed annoyed by Derek and Sheev handing him off to different contacts. He ignored Sheev and continued his conversation with Derek; this is what he wrote to Derek:

Why are you referring me to people? What's the meaning of all that?

Derek gave an excuse as to why he had to and wrote:

What do you mean "Why am I referring you to people?"? I have to, because my phone's knackered.
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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by bikeatl77 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:09 pm

^^^ Interesting. I should mention that kidnapping scenarios in baits are relatively rare and are usually most effective in love lad romance bait scenarios or when the person kidnapped was just moments away from making a big payment to the lad. Nonetheless, if Antonio buys into the ploy he will be puzzled as to why Derek or Sheev would elect to redirect monies that would have gone to Antonio to pay off a ransom to get Erika back. Antonio should show his true lad colors by reassuring your character(s) that if they send him the fees that they'll get the $90 whatever million bucks soonest and they can pay the ransom from that :roll:

Erika means nothing to your lad at this point so a kidnapping, murder, or suicide play shouldn't really phase him unless it interferes with his getting "his" money. How he reacts to the scenario should be interesting though. It may help you ascertain his general gullibility level. If he calls you a faker and starts to walk back on the whole exchange you can hit the reset button by having Derek and/or Sheev learn that Erika was pissed that her family was willing to send a stranger cash for some "inheritance thing" at the drop of a hat but those cheap bastards always say no to her constant requests for money. So she and her boyfriend dreamed up a fake kidnapping scenario in hopes to cyphon some of that $ while their wallets were still open. But if he buys into the kidnapping angle then milk it. It's amazing what some lads can be led to believe. Good luck!

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:36 pm

I should mention that kidnapping scenarios in baits are relatively rare and are usually most effective in love lad romance bait scenarios or when the person kidnapped was just moments away from making a big payment to the lad.
Yeah? Truth be told, I did actually have this idea in a pretty old bait; I tried to bait a scammer who was supposedly operating out of Portugal and wanted me to come to visit him (well...he didn't actually ask me to come and visit him, he wanted Cersei Lannister who I was acting as, at the time to visit him); the plan was, was for Cersei to travel to Lisbon, to visit the lad and sure enough, she eventually managed to reach Lisbon. But the plan was for her to be kidnapped on her way to the Lisbon Hospiral (this lad was operating the same "I'm dying of X" scheme) and have her captors demand a ransom.

Sadly, the lads were astoundingly tedious in replying to me, and there came a day where I just never heard from them again. A pity, because it would have been interesting to see where it would have went.
Erika means nothing to your lad at this point so a kidnapping, murder, or suicide play shouldn't really phase him unless it interferes with his getting "his" money.
Well of course she doesn't! I mean, no offense to the girl/woman because after all, she is a fellow scambaiter and as the song says: "We're all in this together!", just as Sheev said to Derek when he allowed Erika to deal with Antonio. But to our lad friend here,, she could be subjected to torture by Aimar and Antonio wouldn't care, because like all other lads, he wants one thing: Money! And lots of it!
Good luck!
Thanks. Sheev, Derek and Erica are going to need it!

And now for the actual appearance of Aimar Zaragoza. He sent this email to Erica's grandfather:

Hello
As you can tell from the attachment, your granddaughter, Erica van Helsing, has been kidnapped. Please read the attachment for further information.
Aimar Zaragoza
(Any emails by Aimar are underlined because these emails are from a lad, but the lad in question is actually one of my email addresses.)

The attachment in question is a ransom note of my own design, made in a website called "ransomizer" and this is what it said:
To the family of Sheev Palpatine:

This note is to inform you that we have kidnapped your granddaughter, Erica von Helsing for failure to the pay the sum of 500 Euros. She is currently being held at 83 Roman Road, Leeds, LS1 4NG (that is, in fact, located in Bethnal Green in London while the postcode is non-existent). The choice is yours: You either send us £500 or you will never see Erica again. If you fail, we will come after your family one by one, starting wiht Erica's sister, Melody Crowe.

Contacting the police is pointless, because if you do, we will just cut out the middle man and send Erica back to you in pieces. You must make this payment at the provided address if you want Erica to live again. Bank to bank transfer is unacceptable.
This email got forwarded to Sheev who proceeded to accuse Antonio of hiring a hitman to kidnap Erica. This is what he sent to Antonio:

Antonio

Can I ask you a question? Specifically, are you in league with this person who calls himself "Aimar Zaragoza" who has just sent me this ransom note? Are you quite sure that Erika is alright and you have not hired a hitman to take her hostage?

I await your response as soon as possible

Sheev Palpatine

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by bikeatl77 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:23 pm

LOL about the Lisbon Portugal "dying lad" misadventure. Elaborate hoaxes like that are one of the many reasons why Eater advises members to never burn lads (tell them you know they are scammers). There could be a million legitimate reasons why a lad will seemingly drop off the face of the Earth. It's easy for a baiter to assume that the lad simply caught on but he could have found an easier target, got a real job, had to move with his family to some other place, lost all his contacts when his email was shuttered because of abuse, actually died, went to jail, you name it. Unless he died there is always a chance that the lad will come crawling back someday...even years later. Hell, he already could have by approaching you via a different persona using a different scam modality in hopes of separating you from your money more efficiently the second time around. You just never know.

Kidnappings are funny from a dramatic perspective but the captors always want money or demand that the lad do something really crazy but lads want nothing to do with anyone that isn't willing to send funds into their own pockets. Sadly, many lads abandon kidnapped victims even though they know the vic will ultimately die without their help. However, if the victim manages to escape with all the loot and flees to some remote corner of Hell, there's a possibility that a lad can be convinced to travel there to save her. It doesn't happen that often but several lads have been stranded in remote deserts in Sudan for months on end chasing those sorts of ghosts :P

This is a fun bait so thanks for sharing! I can only imagine the types of thoughts running through his thick skull before he drifts off to sleep at night. Hopefully over time your cast of characters will introduce so much stress into his daily life that he will be unable to sleep whatsoever :P No lad deserves to be well rested unless they have nothing better to do than count sheep while sitting behind bars.

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by Mr Dapper » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:03 am

DerekTrotter1981 wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:39 pmYeah? Cushty!

As for the plans to call...can I suggest that you call Lenny? He's a friend of mine. Here's his number.

+44 #### ###### (that is the number, of the Lenny chatbot)


Please obfuscate Lenny's number in your post to help avoid nosy Google seeing it.
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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:26 am

Did it.

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Post by Mr Dapper » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:30 am

Cushty.
The last word is mine.

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Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:35 am

:lol:

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Re: Search for a Palpatine

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:57 pm

Now, you might presume that the correspondence with Antonio about Aimar kidnapping Erica would bring him back. Nope. And it may have been the end of any correspondence between Antonio, Sheev, Derek and Erika; but no. Erica had some more correspondence with Sheev and Derek, just asking for advice. This is the email she forwarded to the pair:

From: Jose Rodriguez
Date: Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 08:39
Subject: INFORMATION.
To: Erica von Hesling


Dear Ms Hesling.
We have received a brief from Antonio Ruiz, concerning an outstanding transaction in your favor.
In order to proceed, this office demands that you scan and send to us a copy of your international passport, or a valid Driver's license.
This will enable us to key all information into the system.
Thank you.

J. Rodriguez.



Derek was the first to respond to Erika's message with this:

Looks like he wants to get his mitts on some ID to recycle; Don't send him any ID, not even a fake one done in MS paint. Try some delaying tactics, first. I'll leave you to Sheev for some delaying tactics.

If he proves himself to be an obstinate old sod and he ain't budging on the ID, send him something from Scambaiters toolbox (you don't need to sign up here).


Earlier, Derek had the most correspondence with Erika; now he decided to leave it to Sheev. We'll get to that in a minute, but first Derek and Sheev sent two emails to this new contact that Erika gave them.

Sheev's email: Greetings Mr. Rodriguez

I got your contact from my granddaughter Erica von Helsing and I believe you have had correspondence with her. May I see how everything is coming along?

Regards

Sheev Palpatine


Derek's email: Hola Jose!

How's everything going so far?

Regards

Derek Trotter


And now the correspondence that Sheev had with Erika:

Sheev: Oh, hello Erika

I was wondering when we'd hear back off Antonio. Like Derek said, don't send Jose any ID, not even a fake ID because he'll probably recycle the ID and use it on somebody else; start with some delaying tactics, like these which I gained from a question on a forum:

When you renewed your passport this year, the The United States / France / Your Country / etc. Department of Homeland Security (or equivalent) had you sign a form that included, among other things, that you will not use your passport in furtherance of any criminal activity abroad, share your passport with another person, or transmit your passport via mail (electronically or physically) to any non government persons.

You had to forfeit your drivers license when arrested for your last DUI and now have to go to the DMV/motor vehicle / etc. office to get a new one. You don't have a passport because you've never been out of the country.

You have a controlling relative who is is "holding" your ID out of fear you will cheat, send money to scammers again, etc. You'll try to sneak it out of their room, but it could take time.

You recently moved across country and the box with all of personal documents was lost in the move. They want you to show your birth certificate to get a passport and they want you to show your passport to get your birth certificate. You have no idea what to do.

On a side note, how is everything with Antonio?


Erika: He was trying to call me (I used a fake phone number) but I just told him I ended my cellular plan

Sheev: Ah! Interesting.

Erika: Yes I believe so. He just kept rambling on about how the bank kept trying to call me but I told him I “had no service”

By the way, Antonio just wrote to me an angry email about how you guys are demanding the information of Jose. Just thought you’d wanna know


Sheev: So we're reaching meltdown point with Antonio then...I advise that we exercise caution here, because this is probably where he could just cut the conversation...

At the same time, as another scambaiter said: "Respond to aggression or hostility, not with compliance. But with righteous indignation".

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