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New lad, new baiter

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:07 pm

Just as the subject says, we've got a new lad this time: Some lads pose as dying widows or government officials or barristers! This wally's posing as the Red Cross!

But just as we get a new lad, we also get a new Derek. This time, it's DCI Derek Grim (of course, this dipstick doesn't yet know that he's talking to a policeman); here's what he sent to DCI Grim:

ATTN: President/CEO,

Attached herewith this message are my business invitation letter and a
back-up video, which I request for you to read the letter carefully and
respond to me if you want to partner with me in this profitable venture.
Kindly provide your personal Mobile line where to reach you thereafter.

I thank you once again for your time.

Yours sincerely,

Mr. Bennett Cardinal Ndlovu
Chief Security Operator
ICRC Vault Services, Centurion, South Africa.


Attached was a video which I had to download to play (this video shows the supposed cash) and a PDF file. This is the PDF file in question:
Business Collaboration Request-.jpg
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Bennett Cardinal Ndlovu or as DCI Grim called him (we'll get to his message in a moment), "Bennett Cardinal Silly name", had one email address which was the address he used to send this message to Grim and a "Reply-To" address. So Grim wrote a reply to it; this was what he wrote:

Is a back up video really attached? Because I've just tried to play this video and it does not work! Perhaps you could send me a picture of this money instead, because I think it could work better than fannying about with videos!

Regards

Derek Grim


Derek got a response from the Mail Delivery Subsystem so he contacted Bennett directly on the email address supplied by the lad. This is what his actual response was:

Dear Mr. Bennett Cardinal silly name

I have tried to write to you on the reply-to email address that was provided but I got a bounce back from the blasted Mail Delivery Subsystem, so I'm contacting you on this email address in the hope that I can reach you again!

You say in your last email that you want my personal mobile line, but really I think conversing by email is a bit more efficient than fannying about on the phone! Having said that, if you really want a phone number, please contact Lenny.

I wish to partner in this venture, and I'm sure that someone else would love to participate.

Regards

Derek Grim

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Re: New lad, new baiter

Post by bikeatl77 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:47 pm

Nice form letter! It's not very readable given all the warnings you rightly slapped on it to curb potential abuse. Is it really that much of a comfort to be told that your funds are directly being monitored by "heavy security guards" at some dance club in a secret Bond laire somewhere? "Techno Park" my ass. I get that most after hours parties are exclusive and invite only but does hiring a couple of jelly donut chugging bags of cholesterol wearing fake mall cop badges to guard your fortune really inspire confidence? No, it does not. I think this Mr. Nerd Luv can make you a more generous offer if the screws were turned just a little bit more :twisted:

I wonder what he'd say if you told him that your family owns a pretty big business that employs Guarda and/or Brinks to handle all movement of major assets as long as the contract is still in force. It may make more sense if your "fit security guards" were dispatched in an armored truck to collect what is rightfully yours :D That way he won't have to interrupt his morbidly obese security team's hotdog eating contests :lol:

Seriously, it really sucks when lads pose as members of world renowned humanitarian organizations. Fake orphanages and cancer claims are technically worse IMO but so many people recognize outfits like the Red Cross and Habitat for Humanity that many vics take lad claims at face value because they are relatively familiar with those entities. I do hope that you have a few fun surprises in store for him!

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Re: New lad, new baiter

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:52 pm

Seriously, it really sucks when lads pose as members of world renowned humanitarian organizations. Fake orphanages and cancer claims are technically worse IMO but so many people recognize outfits like the Red Cross and Habitat for Humanity that many vics take lad claims at face value because they are relatively familiar with those entities.
Quite.

And what do you make of puppy lads (they're the lads who pretend to sell puppies or some other cute young animals)?

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Re: New lad, new baiter

Post by bikeatl77 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:46 pm

^^^^ yeah, they suck too. For some reason puppy scams tend to be pretty popular in Cameroon just as product lads are. Those are fake storefront scams that target the collection of legitimate credit card numbers by peddling nonexistent wares or that try to scam real merchants by placing orders using stolen card numbers so long as the victim wires $ to a fake courier service. If the stolen card goes through the lad couldn't care less about the actual order but is keenly interested in making sure the merchant WU/MG's the shipping costs to the fake courier. Ghana lads are fond of gold/gold dust and other precious metal/jewel scams. Apparently, Benin lads aren't too picky in terms of the type of scams that they perpetuate but they tend to be really bizarre in their attempts from what I'm told. Benin is a Francophone nation so it may just be a "lost in translation" thing.

Like I said, pets scammers are indeed deplorable but some of the most ruthless I've come across were here in the US where I reside. Within the same year in 2012 I think I had 3 friends that were almost duped in a "reverse" pet scam. The scammer wasn't selling anything but had their hearts set on finding a perfect pet to care after. I don't remember all the details but the common theme was that the scammer would interact with the vic for a while to gain trust. After a while they would mention that they recently moved to a city they weren't familiar with and that the Craigslist ad they left up was geographically correct at the time when they posted it. They were all basic shipping scams but with a twist. The scammer would say that they had to attend a funeral or go on some business trip and the vic was asked to ship the pet to a trustworthy "surrogate" who would take care of it until their return. They asked that a check or (preferably) money order be included in the shipment so that the surrogate could use the $ to ship it to the scammer upon their return. In 2 instances the vic was given $ through Venmo using stolen CC details. The other was just given a promise that they'd send cash if they were happy with the purchase but they needed to give their CC details to a "authorized" shipper :roll: Nonetheless, the scammer was only interested in the $. The animals were inconsequential and at least one asked to not declare that living creatures were in the parcel. All these friends were in their early 20's at the time and mostly broke, somewhat gullable, and very spoiled. Essentially these asshole lads hoped to collect some anonymous cash while instructing victims to send pets to random addresses...well to mules if they wanted those money orders. If I was an enterprising lad I'd instruct the mule to send me my share of the money order and sell the pet and send me the proceeds from that sale too. Fortunately I was able to put a stop to all 3. The ads were obviously copied from existing scam formats so it took just seconds for me to find similar scripts posted on fraud warning sites.

I wonder if it would be possible to get a lad to try to ship himself to a better place by curling up in a box. Sadly that reminds me of a few incidents where impoverished citizens of "not so good" countries managed to hide in the wheel wells of airliners in hopes of finding a better place. There was a story a few years ago where a BA jet approaching Heathrow deployed their landing gear and a body fell out. Can't remember where it departed from but I think it was in Africa somewhere :cry:

Anyway, scammers suck in general. Stealing from a king or a pauper is still stealing. Potentially abusing animals is incorrigible though. I'm sure they still exist but don't see too many recent instances of that here on Eater so hopefully most lads have moved on. Good people and pets have an invisible bond so trying to get good people to shove an animal they love in a box to ship for a quick buck is probably a scam tactic that takes too long for most impatient lads...and that is a good thing.

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Re: New lad, new baiter

Post by DerekTrotter1981 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:11 am

Of course, scammers suck. Because like I've said before, these are people who will either exploit tragedy or send victims either dying or deceased people to make themselves more credible, and they're also a type of criminal who you can't really punish because they can't be traced.

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Re: New lad, new baiter

Post by bikeatl77 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:41 am

...and they're also a type of criminal who you can't really punish because they can't be traced.
That's subjective as you know. There's nothing wrong with having Lenny or the MG hotline frustrate him to no end and waste both his time and mobile phone/data credits :twisted: At some point you will be allowed to post baits here where you roll out the red carpet that literally leads him to Timbuktu :P There's such pent up demand for safaris right now that I almost pity the first wave of mugus that members here will eventually "unleash the kraken" upon.

The exploitation of tragedies aspect does grind my gears though. Bombings in Paris? Active shooters in Las Vegas? Tsunamis in Sri Lanka? COVID-19 pandemic? If yes to any then count on lads flooding your inboxes with offers to provide assistance to those poor unfortunate souls. Oddly enough if you've ever boycotted watching or reading the news because it is too depressing then you will probably still be able to stay current in terms of all the major bad things happening on this planet because lads are super quick to capitalize on such tragedies. You will get a fake offer to help those people...maybe even on the day of. Yes, it sucks but it does make sense. Scammers look for anything that they can exploit. Recent tragedies are very easy targets. Hell, even old tragedies aren't off limits so long as they think there is a chance to rob you. A baiter here recently posted a "holocaust reparation" scam format of all things. I will say that I've often had that "now I have seen everything" feeling from time to time but that quickly fades when I peruse the forums here as I am quickly reminded by how low lads can go and (even better) the lengths that baiters take to punish these idiots for their crimes. It takes a village as they say so anything that can slow or stop a lad and/or help steer a potential victim away from danger is a good thing.

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