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Post by Kitty La Gore » Mon May 01, 2023 4:51 am

I'm really scared because I notice that I'm develop malaria because of the hot climax here ~ Abiola in Rosso
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Re: We're trending on Reddit!

Post by Myon359 » Mon May 01, 2023 1:37 pm

Visited the thread and dropped a few comments )trying to debate the huggers a little as well :P ) Anyhow! Wow - maybe this is the big day this site needs! Hopefully get membership up to pre-pandemic levels again!
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Post by Kitty La Gore » Mon May 01, 2023 3:27 pm

^^^ thank you!!
I'm really scared because I notice that I'm develop malaria because of the hot climax here ~ Abiola in Rosso
i was kidnap by Nigeria North desperate danger men in Borno state Nigeria all because of u ~Tim
You are been a foolish man with a naughty brain. ~Paul K
Abiola-Tim: Lagos to Dakkar to Rosso (wDSW) 9 yrs (anniversary May 2023) | 5 yrs ~ Paul K
Am just tired and confused and the cards didn't work. ~Jeff

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Post by Munchies86 » Mon May 01, 2023 5:30 pm

Some of the debate on that Reddit post I'm on both sides.

I think safaris are hilarious, but I do personally have an ethical/moral problem with using a safari to send them into something potentially dangerous. I do this to waste their time and, hopefully, to wind up driving them out of business or get them arrested.

I know they definitely don't do this out of poverty. The likes of Monetized Youtube Baiter plus a number of stories I've seen here or elsewhere make it clear poverty doesn't drive them to scam.

I'm not really in favor of crossing the line into actually doing serious harm to lads, directly or indirectly, though.

I hope my position doesn't make me a "hugger." I just don't want to stoop to the same level as the scammers who will gladly endanger people.

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Post by Myon359 » Mon May 01, 2023 8:40 pm

IMO, if the scammers wind up doing something that could get themselves hurt or killed, that could be considered getting injured/deaded while committing a crime. I would never tell a scammer something like "firing a gun into your left eye will get you cash." That makes me no better off than a murderer. HOWEVER, if I have a scammer doing something that gets him shot by someone who didn't like it, that is not my fault, it is the fault of the scammer who chose to do *whatever* in order to aid in the fight to take my character's money, and wound up getting injured in the process.

Like with DSW's Hector bait. At one point, Hector went to Egypt. While there, the country had a civil war, Hector got locked up, probably punched around a bit as well. No one expected the civil war though, his getting jailed and harmed physically from the civil war came as a direct result of him trying to scam, and therefore was a proper punishment leaving DSW and Inspector Gadget (the baiters in that case) innocent.

Anyhow that's my opinion - don't set out to get folks killed, but if they do get injured or killed while doing whatever you told them to do, that is not your fault as long as your goal was not for death or injury. We are baiting, not being executioners. I must say I'd be quite upset if any of my four current lads turned up dead someplace - that would be a loss of so many stories.
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Post by Kitty La Gore » Mon May 01, 2023 11:59 pm

Munchies86 the "lad huggers" are those who see scammers as "just trying to make ends meet", and they tend to be far more anti-baiting than most in that thread. It is always good to have the discussion about whether an action is truly warranted, falls within the boundaries of justice, or verges on unethical vigilantism. I hope we never stop evaluating the correct path forward. It's probably good to note that the bait listed on Reddit is about 17 years old, and we've had a lot of discussions about ethical baiting since then.

The good thing is we can all draw the line at where we will send our lads, and where we won't. I was very impressed with 419Eater during the Covid lockdown phase where we refused to send any lads on safaris so there would be no inadvertent transmission of the virus. I do think that's the level of consideration our community has for the world out there. In some cases we've even commandeered lads to do community service work!

I know of a few lads who were sent on some pretty difficult journeys, but they were committing a lot of atrocities at home. Some of the details of the baits might also be kept between the baiters, particularly in group baits, and there has to be some level of trust and agreement that the journey is warranted. I've learned a lot during those group baits about what the lads are capable of. In one case, Padme and I baited a notoriously successful lad who was ready and willing to turn over the names of his fellow (innocent) Nigerian army mates to a terrorist organization for money. We intervened, and the lad spent quite a few months in prison for that (or possibly another crime... regardless, he was unable to send the names). We couldn't post our bait for some time as the details were too unique.

Having said all that, getting a lad to safari is not easy. The ones who can travel usually have a lot more (stolen) money, and are often more sophisticated scammers. But each case is indeed unique, and it is always good to take a step back and ask ourselves, "What would Bware do?" - or any other level of ethical consideration that we aspire to.
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Post by bware419ers » Tue May 02, 2023 12:51 pm

Kitty wrote:"What would Bware do?"
Well, that's a low bar, isn't it? 419Eater has established rules for a reason. They've worked quite well, with few changes over the years. When there is something new thrown in, it's typically to center us a bit more, isn't it? No more cash baiting. No baiting beggars or spellcasters. No impact to ITPs. Members here tend to stick around because deep down, we abhor scammers and (in the words of my mentor) can throw some shitfuckery at the cockwallets to make them a bit hesitant in the future.

Safaris are fun reads and can certainly exhaust a lad's funds. But, we have to remember those funds used to travle are likely from a victim.
Monuments of faith are hilarious and I always look to how inventive the baiter can be and how much the lad can screw it up. I always enjoy imagining how that monstrosity must appear to neighbors and how long it sticks around until someone gets pissed. But, we have to remember those funds used to build it are likely from a victim.

My absolute favorite baits are when scammers get so mindfucked they are apprehensive about conversing with any potential victim. I've been fortunate enough to be involved with a few of those. Over the years, OP and I have checked in on Pig$ and Daddy Ralph. It's a bit comforting to know they both have professional jobs now and are very wary of engaging with anyone outside their country.

It rarely turns out that way, but I take more pride in that than any safari or bank account I've collected. Our limits should be ethically based, right? We should adapt, as lads do. Just like real life, however, we all have different limits. Don't ever feel the need to do anything outside your comfort zone (but feel free to make the lads uncomfortable).

BTW, ever read any of Kitty's baits with the love lads? If you do what she does, be sure to wear your cybercondom.
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Post by Juan Freizwidatt » Tue May 02, 2023 3:10 pm

Safaris are fun reads and can certainly exhaust a lad's funds. But, we have to remember those funds used to travle are likely from a victim.
True that. But I feel that this is somewhat offset by the fact that the lad doesn't get to use that stolen cash to buy bling for himself.
My absolute favorite baits are when scammers get so mindfucked they are apprehensive about conversing with any potential victim.
Absolutely!! Many years ago I baited a lad, and used my fake lad character to chop his dolla. The lad then wrote to the fake oga, saying he was only 17 years old and asking for a job. I recruited a bunch of baiters for a massbait and we ran this kid ragged, with the intention (or at least hope) of discouraging him so much that he would give up his dream of being a successful scammer. It didn't take long for him to become exasperated and discouraged, and he soon started taking his frustrations out on his would-be victims. It took a while but he eventually decided this business was not for him. That made me very happy.
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Post by sparky905 » Thu May 04, 2023 10:22 am

I am not a lad hugger but have had moral crossroads moments when sending lads hither and yon. I think having those moments, those pauses, indicates a moral compass is still working within me. I seem to have gravitated toward church oriented baits, and must remind myself that the lad thinks the church is real, that the package is real, and that they are knowingly stealing funding from deserving children for their own profit. And not just a casual theft, but one involving preparation to travel etc in anticipation of stealing. It is purely a calculated theft on the part of the lad.

I have greater moral qualms about using a church to "fight crime" than I do sending a lad on safari. I have no wish to offend or mock real churches or people of faith by hiding behind a veneer of compassion for others. Lads might be liars and thieves, but do my actions make me a liar? Is that who I want to be? Or is it justified by knowing that by keeping the lad occupied, an unknown number of innocent people have not been scammed?
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Re: We're trending on Reddit!

Post by Lester » Fri May 12, 2023 5:17 pm

I am not upset at folks sending folks on Safari. I have done that in the past. But yes most have been more successful, or are chasing that money. Maybe they will learn a lesson. But its harder now than it was many years ago. I wouldn't send one into a war zone, or into certain death.

I have created what would be hilarious to most "fake churches" like the "Carrots & Peas Church" or something else a bit funny. From the days to get them to create random pictures, videos, and etc. Time wasting so they can't focus on others as much. But it was the "fad" back in the day too.

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Post by Rick Shaw » Mon May 22, 2023 7:41 am

I have been baiting for over 10 years now and much has changed. In all that time I only once managed to just about Safari one lad, who only got half way and then abandoned the idea.

I get a lot less scams in my catcher accoung these days and virtually none seem to take any type of bait I offer. I get the impression that if that can't get some cash instantly then they drop you and move on.

I'd be interested to know what sort of success safariing a lad now is compared to some years back when lads seemed more "obliging". I'm surprised that some still fall for it at all.
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Post by crashhoot » Mon May 22, 2023 11:20 pm

During the Covid-19 pandemic, we here at 419Eater put a ban on safari's for the safety of innocent third parties. That ban has recently been lifted, so safari's are slowly starting to pick up.
In fact, if you look at some of the current baits, you will see that the members here have discovered a new 5 star shipping company that the lads are very happy with. :twisted:
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